It is an insult to our intelligience and common sense.
Some cartoons (if you are easily offended, please don't go surf the net for it) created calamity, confusion and casualties! It also caused deaths!
The West is not consistent in its free speech and being responsible while part of the Islamic world has gone over the top in reactions.
Where will it lead us?
--- addendum
aisehman.org presents a malaysian muslim viewpoint and found this cartoon reasonable...
it has very fine reasoning but...will hotheads from both side agree?
it does not matter how fine the reasoning when blinkered and violent people does not reason... and yet, i still beileve, that the pen is mightier than the sword, in the long haul.
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Perhaps it is also time to ask Mahathir to account for the many billions he spent with impunity - CyberJaya, his palace, Putrajaya, the Twin Towers, and million lost in derivatives, speculation, tin market, etc.
What happens now is an extension of what he established - the culture of corruption and extravagance.
This is a golden opportunity for local universities to do something good for the country: set up a group of thinking scholars to critically and objectively - analyse the positive or negative contributions of Mahathir during his tenure as our PM - do the various projects initiated by Mahathir - really bring benefits to Malaysia and Malaysians?
(e.g. the Bakun dam, the Bank Bumuputra incidents, the highway, the Multimedia Super Corridor, the Petronas Twin Towers, the Proton car projects, Putrajaya, the steel industry, the attempt to corner the tin market of LME, the toll contracts signed with the operators, etc.)
How much money has been lost? Would it be better if the money were distributed to the citizens of Malaysia?
Vision 2020 is destined to fail because Malaysia has the naive mentality of "buying its way" to "fully-developed nation status".
Ask ourselves: Are we mentally ready? Are we socio-economically ready?
Do we have the skills, perseverance, knowledge and above all - the right attitude and ethics?
Look at all the developed nations. Is there any one country that has achieved its developed nation status by chance? There is surely no short cut!
Are our management and system of this country failing?
Having good and efficient leadership is one thing, but having a management without a good system is scary, because good leaders come and go and we can't depend on just that……….therefore having an efficient and good system is crucial or else, disaster is waiting to happen.
Some have claimed that the bumis dominate the banking industry, I would agree. And dominate the automobile industry in Malaysia.
Out of the 10 anchor banks in Malaysia, only Hong Leong Bank, Public Bank Bhd and Southern Bank are controlled by non-bumis.
Again, after Oriental Holding Bhd lost it franchise and dealership of Honda. Hyundai franchise has been acquired by Sime Darby. Only Tan Chong which holds distributorship of Nissan remain under non-bumis.
Actually, it is ridiculous to excluded government link company (GLC) on it calculation on 18 percent ownership. If included GLC, bumis control more than 50% of Malaysia economy. All GLCs are head by bumis and majority of its staff comprises bumis plus it has the bumis culture.
Other than the two industries highlighted, they fail to include plantation industry. With the GLC control of Sime Darby, Guthrie and Golden Hope, bumis actually control the majority of the plantation land in Malaysia.
It just that it yield of the company unable to compete with those control by non-bumis like IOI Group, Kuala Lumpur Kepong Bhd and PPB Oil Palms Bhd. Thus, it is time to improve efficiency and competitiveness rather than improve percentage of ownership.
All the plantation company also has a property development arm to capitalize on the landbank like Sime UEP, I&P and Gutherie Land.
Bumis also control all the free to air TV via Media Prima Bhd. Holding company of TV3.
At one point of time, bumis control the whole Kuala Lumpur transport system via IntraKota and Park May Bhd. However, both have been acquired by the government due to inefficiency and unable to pay its debts. Again, this is a question of efficiency and not a question of ownership percentage.
I have several remarks to make on Vision 2020. However, with the present state of mind in the country in which alternative views are seen with deep antagonism, I doubt we can make it. We cannot have sound advice and have prejudice in its implementation. Our stumbling block is our prejudices, racial or otherwise.
To talk about the NEP and achieving a 30 percent share of the wealth sounds myopic to me. If the third-rate politicians are allowed to continue with this propaganda to get elected, the electorates deserve what they get. By continually shouting these slogans, they actually give the bumis a sense of inferiority complex.
We are only less than half a percent of the world population. Why don't we open our eyes and look at the other 99 percent of the world market instead of looking just at the wealth of the non-malays in Malaysia.
The solution lies with the politicians and the people.
Edmund Terence Gomez says it who owns corporate Malaysia, and he is absolutely correct in observing that the Chinese Malaysian entrepreneurs have not managed to develop brand names or move up the technological ladder as a result of the NEP.
And I am glad to read that the likes of executive director of the Malaysian Institute of Economic Research (MIER) agrees that another NEP policy like the kind that we have had before is not a wise move.
If not for the NEP, one would argue that by now, Malaysia would already have produced super companies and super brand names like Samsung and Sony.
Instead, Malaysia continues to drive her most gifted Malaysians such as engineers, entrepreneurs, managers, researchers, scientists etc, out of the country to work for other world-class companies.
If the whole idea of another NEP policy is still to try to get the bumis to own 30 percent of corporate Malaysia, then we'd have missed the big picture altogether.
Because there is a bigger pie out there and corporate Malaysia has to get serious about competing globally rather than to still try and decide how to divide our own little pie amongst ourselves.
We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. With this adage in mind, one will wonder what are the habitual habits of the present regime, and form opinion as to the likelihood of its act, going forward into the future.
Judging from the above, I think we are yet ready to meet the goal. We are unable to practice the true meritocracy in many sectors. We can see our bright students being courted with open arms by Singapore while the same were rejected by our Malaysia universities.
Look no further. Nothing will change. We have to let them try until one day they can't sustain any longer and beg the foreigner to take over. This will happened soon and it is the only way to remove Ketuanan without being condemned of being racist.
I know of some who said that they will only return to die here but their children who are born overseas are unlikely to do so as the country is alien to them and they have no love and feelings for it.
We boast that most of the leadership and upper crust in Singapore, for example, are former Malaysians born in Ipoh, Penang or elsewhere but their children are all born in Singapore and carry their Singaporean identity, and as the years go by, their links with Malaysia go weaker.
There is no doubt that those who have left our Malaysia shores are the more enterprising ones. They are more well off and are likely to be better educated. They are the resourceful ones who can contribute to any society.
Unless the government taking more drastic steps to promote equality in all races and religion. I really don't see any foreign Malaysian coming back to serve Malaysia. Recent news of corruption of police forces not only spoil the country image but also our local confidence towards the forces.
Diaspora of India, Mexico, Philippine or most other origin was created because of desperate conditions and lack of opportunity at home.
Malaysia diaspora is largely created because of discrimination i.e. their country basically told them they did not want them. India, Mexico, Philippine, never said that.
Chinese have a saying 'One stroke to two pieces' - you can't put the rope back when you cut it in half no matter what you do.
Successful malays oversea do not want to carry the crutch-stigma, and stayed away. Successful non-malays abroad would present too much of a challenge to Malaysia malays, and thus were not welcomed.
Ketuanan, extreme racial discrimination, embrace for corruption etc, are all not only present in Malaysia, but thriving under the past and especially current government.
Little wonder that ex-Malaysians who are successful abroad are not inclined to return to their roots - at least not to live under such horrendous conditions.
The solution if there is one (since it seems almost irreversible) is to adopt fairness and true meritocracy in its policies. It is well known that Malaysia has more than 5/6 classes of people. Society did not develop into such division naturally. It was actively deliberately pushed to this situation by powers that be for their own sinister reasons.
Will year 2020 bring any reprieve? Unlikely if current policies trend persists or even worsens. We are at the crossroads.
The political leadership must decide for all, what kind of society they want their descendents to inherit. Sadly they may intentionally desire their descendents to emigrate to foreign lands, so as to escape the mess that they have created.
Every non-malay child has encountered discrimination of sorts since childhood - in the schools, in the civil service, etc. They have faced rejection in university intakes, scholarship awards, job applications, and the list is endless.
Now, with this belief that we are second class citizens, why would they return and face more discrimination and rejection. More so, when they are happier and settled in a foreign land.
Honestly, besides the prime minister, the rest of those in power couldn't care less about those who have left. They feel they can manage the country without them.
No point tapping brains from Malaysians overseas. Most of them are non-malays and second class citizens. Besides that Ketuanan ideal prohibit them from progressing in Malaysia. Non-malays will be forever discriminated by Ketuanan ideal.
If you don't like it you can leave the country like most of the good brains did. All the while the non-malays are only treated like guess and in fact we are. So better behave when you are in a host country.
I read with great sadness over the controversy arising from the statement made by with regards to the concept of malays as the 'masters of the land'.
It now appears to me that the problem began with the concept of 'Ketuanan Melayu'. This concept was introduced around the time when Malaysia was working hard to achieve independence from the British.
As we are all aware, the malays were marginalised in the economic sector and perhaps to a large extend the political side as well. The malay leaders of the time tried to boost the spirit of the malay community by introducing the concept of 'Ketuanan Melayu'.
So, the malay leaders at the time used the concept 'Ketuanan Melayu' as a rallying point not as a tool to rid or oppress the non-malays, but merely as a cry to prevent the malays from drifting towards oblivion in the era of Malaysia as a country.
I am a son of a Malaysian career-diplomat. I have had the privilege of traveling around the world all my life.
Based on the input I received from many others in my journey, racist concepts as Apartheid; KKK; and many more cannot be compared to 'Ketuanan Melayu'. While the other concepts ranging from ethnic cleansing to white supremacy are meant to dominate and wipe out the other races, 'Ketuanan Melayu' is only meant to help the malays to get to equal footing with the non-malays.
We can see today the barriers for non-malays in Malaysia are slowly coming down as the malays have steadily climbed up the ladders.
While our system might not be perfect, and rightfully we should criticise where need be, there is no need to throw mud across the table and certainly there is no need to use inflammatory words. Hopefully we can all steer our beloved Malaysia to a better future.
The argument for the invalidity of the ISA is straightforward.
It is not a valid law in virtue of legal standards internal to the Malaysian legal order itself. These standards reside in the common law as well as in the Constitution. For present purposes, a brief look at the Constitution is enough to establish the point.
The rule of law requires that any exercise of state power can only be justified in virtue of existing valid legal norms.
Stop enforcing the ISA. It is not valid law.
Just spoke to a friend of mine, and she told me that a close friend of her studying in Singapore, just visited Malaysia over the weekend. And so, I asked her what did her friend tell her about Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur to be specific……….and you know what, the first word is - dirty.
True enough, I think many Malaysians still have poor mentality in terms of keeping the public area clean, and not to litter……….Yup Malaysia is so dirty, as said by our prime minister, we have 1st class facilities but 3rd class mentalities.
I went to Australia and it is so clean, and the citizens really abide the rules like wearing the seatbelts while driving etc. We Malaysians always have problems on obeying the rules.
The Australian Chinese will be great asset in the next 10-20 years. Because Australia is eyeing the China share of investment. The influence of China economy policy will definitely reach Australia.
So it would be good for Australian Chinese to study Mandarin as well. English is much easily to master than Mandarin. Dual languages for young Australian Chinese will be beneficial for them as they can provide a link between the rich China and Australian expertise.
Good luck to all fellow Australian Chinese.
I am thinking of doing a post grad degree just for the sake of running away from this Malaysia country.
Australia or Hong Kong or Shanghai mainly because of their culture and weather similarities. I hate everything about Malaysia - the people, the politics and especially the weather.
And if you think you want to play a role in "solving the many problems of Malaysia" - good for you, because it certainly not going to be my business.
I know people say: If you don't like Malaysia, get out of the country! Yes, I am doing just that. Cheers to our politicians!
What is wrong with this country is quite obvious but what most people don't get is what is right with this country.
Malaysia is an incredible fortunate country with abundant natural resources and systems that prevents it from committing worst mistakes than it already has.
From palm-oil, oil and gas, to the British-influenced systems left behind to basically the tolerant nature of all its people and even the fact that Singapore, our cousin down south, is a constant reminder of our place in the world.
Malaysia is fortunate to have these checks to ensure continuous growth throughout these many years.
Its because of these fortunate that shields us from some harsh realities that the country finds it unnecessary accept global and universal realities. These fortunate still exists and so long as it still exists, there is no impetus to face realities. These fortunate also hold us back to realize our full potential and have cost us incredible opportunities in the past.
Certainly we would have been a developed country by now if not for the NEP.
For the idealist, you have to face it that these fortunate still exists. For example, our government is actually trying to control the deficit despite the political cost. This is most fortunate compared to the bankrupt ways of some other developing countries.
Of course international financial realities is forcing us to control the deficit but those international realities is a result of our past legacy and our circumstances rather than our very own philosophy or believe. In that sense we are fortunate.
So long as we have these fortunate, so long we will postpone the kinds of ideal and justice we talk about in these. We are a nation led by mediocrity and waste. It is a given.
For excellence, it has to be somewhere else for we do not have the strength to make it ours.
While it is normal for an individual to protect their pride even when they know deep down that it is wrong, it is a totally unaccepted behaviour for academics to be in such depth of denial.
I have been thinking for a while as to the reasons for their constant state of denial and came up with three ugly conclusions:
(1) The academics are just incompetent to produce quality research work. They were chosen as academics simply because of their political link, or the fact that local public universities just favour bumis.
As pointed, government-linked companies are usually managed by people with political connections and not based on their expertise and competencies.
(2) The "tidak apa" behaviour which is a wide spread culture in Malaysia public. While at times it is nice to be living in an easygoing society, such practice has done more damage than good to the society especially in the service, skilled and knowledge-based sectors.
In general, there is a lack of perfectionist behaviour which has led to a less-than-constructive society. No doubt, this has very much hampered the reliability and improvement of the local workforce.
(3) Many of the academics are also lacking in professionalism. Very few of them, if any, could take criticism in a constructive manner.
This resulted in an over-protective behaviour shown - for example in the way they handled public criticism in their drastic drop in university rankings.
Like I have in the past couple of years tried to point out these issues to the general public, which unfortunately was not taken very seriously.
Many times they just fall onto deaf ears. Even when there are people who agree with it, they usually lack the courage to come out of their comfort zone and make a strong stance on such critical issues.
Racism is an excellent political tool. We have had one of the best examples set by Hitler. He blamed on the fall of Germany economy and everything on the Jewish people, and that ended up with the lost of so many innocent lives.
In order to survive politically, you have to allow them to use the race card. Yes, Umno did it.
I think Mahathir has been one of the key players. Converting the English medium into malay medium and then found that it did not work well, and finally decided to convert it back into English medium. When Mahathir sat at the top as the leader of the country, he realized that it was not the right way to govern the country in that way. Now Abdullah must be feeling the same.
How much was there suffer of our education system? The politicians in Malaysia never take responsibility and they don't even apologize to the people for the mess created.
As you can see, within malay communities, only a small fraction of the people gained wealth while majority were the same as before who made very little progress.
Sad day indeed……….
I am a second generation Chinese Malaysian with an Australian PR. I took it up mainly because the forecast does not look too good for my children in Malaysia, i.e. university entrance requirements, promotion in government and armed forces, discount in properties purchases, etc.
In one letter said, "A person with PR (permanent residence) status has two choices. When it is good weather that person can stay on in that particular country, and when the weather turns bad, he can move on to another country. A person who goes overseas to study may try to get PR to find a job there. But PR or not they are second-class citizens in that country."
I do not mind being classified as second-class citizens in Australia because even as PR, we are treated fair and square (except that we don't have voting rights). Everything there is based on merit and not the color of your skin or race.
For information, I feel very sad and disgusted to be treated like a second-class citizen in our own country.
The real reason is that the affordability of tertiary education hits most middle-class Malaysians. However most find a way out by obtaining PR status either in Australia, Canada, New Zealand or the UK.
Permanent residency of Australia entitlement includes not having to pay full fees for one's children's tertiary education. A PR only pays the home student's scale of fees.
However, as I am not running down the shortcomings of life of one country or another but rather depicting important real life issues that affect life in a developed country like Australia, I shall endeavor to comment on some points that bemuse me.
As for the free university education my children received, a quick search in the library should reveal the fact that, free university education was accorded to all and sundry in Australia.
In essence, people in Australia are gauged not by race but by merit. Therefore, it is ironic to claim that white Australians behave more superior to anyone else, while the society at large is governed by non-discriminatory policies.
Nevertheless, it doesn't in anyway grant privileges for a university admission. Australia is a free society where everyone is equal and measured by merit.
As everywhere else in the world, quality medication is expensive. But then in Australia, 50 to 90 percent of the real cost of compulsory medicine is subsidised by the government. Private healthcare insurance is again an alternative for those who do not wish to go through the public healthcare system, which provides service based on 'medical need' rather than 'individual preference'.
In actuality, unemployment benefit is not a blind handout. It is subject to skills upgrade for employment under the Tafe (Technical and Further Education) programme. Isn't this the epitome of a caring government?
Discrimination is a myth of the past era of 'White Australia'. In reality, meritocracy is the only prevailing force in action. For instance, two-thirds of undergraduates pursuing medical degrees in Melbourne University and Monash University are Australian of Chinese origin from different parts of Asia. Isn't this strong enough proof of Australia's non-discriminatory policy?
Moreover, Asian migrants have excelled in different professions from university chairs to specialist doctors solely on the grounds of their merit. Furthermore, anyone with the substance and the support of voters can become the country's prime minister.
Hence, no one could stop an Australian-born Asian from contesting the office of prime minister in Australia if he aspires to do so.
A better life to all.
Human beings migrate because they seek a better habitat, a better life or better opportunities. Is there anything wrong with this?
In modern times, people often migrate for work, security and education opportunities etc.
Migrants of course have to sacrifice much, to the extent of even being separated from their friends and family, but the human spirit for achievement and self-actualisation is very strong and will overcome great odds to achieve its potential and dreams.
An example is pointing to other countries where racism is practiced - reports this occurrence even in developed countries such as the US, UK, New Zealand and Australia.
This point of comparison weakens because is confusing covert, attitudinal racism - and marginal too at that - with institutionalised discrimination in Malaysia in the form of the abused outcomes of the NEP.
The prospect of a larger community in Malaysia that cannot come to terms with meritocracy is even more confusing and daunting.
In the countries mentions, racists are the minority. In this country, while the NEP is purportedly not racist, it confuses and confounds to the point of being seemingly intractable from the dimensions of race and legitimate opportunity.
Here, race is a major independent variable that is legalised to manipulate business, educational and political outcomes.
At least the white masters have drawn up laws and regulations to protect the minorities who stay in their countries. Equal employment means equal employment. That they actually make laws to make life more equitable for immigrants is quite admirable.
On our end, we to bow to the brown masters. If having to pay more for your house when your bumi neighbour pays less is not having to bow to the brown masters then what is?
If expressing your feelings about the inequities in the country is constantly labeled as bumi-bashing, when instead you feel that you are the one being bashed, and then being told to shut up and put up with it is not having to bow to the brown masters, then what is?
Well maybe you feel that those who have left are no loss to the country. Generally speaking, those who have left were the ones who qualified to go to another country.
But such a paradigm is usually a reflection of one's own inabilities to come to grips with the fact that there is something systemically wrong and this has been causing people to leave the country.
My fellow Malaysians who live overseas please stay there because if you bring you children back home, it will the biggest blunder in your lives.
Was going through my nephews primary 6 school books, and was shocked to see the drop in the standard of education in Malaysia - this is what I found from the English book optima for the syllabus:
(1) English - Name the pictures below. Then say the words aloud - Pictures shown were of a cat, tap, tub, etc. This was kindergarten stuff when I went to school;
(2) Moral is an exam subject and so is;
(3) Physical education is now taught with books in class and is actually an exam subject - They show pictures of how to run, play football - My God this is unbelievable, no wonder Malaysia soccer sucks, I suspect this is another money-making scheme to sell books, can you imagine 20000 students every year, the best part is the books change every year, so no hand me downs.
Why we need quota in the university placing, says a lot about the failing of our Malaysia education system in primary and secondary schools, which constitutes some 10-12 years of failed education. 4 years of university education cannot be make goods the lost 12 years. Think about it.
As I mentioned, if only enough efforts and focus spent on primary and secondary education, there is no need for quota along racial lines. And they won't be 60000 unemployed graduates.
Government policies practised over such extended periods of time have given rise to a handout mentality among the average malays - clearly an unintended consequence of the NEP - but it also provides opportunities for the politically connected among the malays to abuse the system sending their off-springs for an overseas education, at government and public expense when they should show more faith in the national system their predecessors and leaders have helped to build.
So many stressed the importance of learning together in school for national unity and integration. I am afraid that is just another myth.
The wrongs and injustices to malays and non-malays alike built around a policy like the NEP has to be corrected - and corrected soon. Time is running out.
The worst one - the fact is, whatever resemblance of unity will disappear, swallowed by bitterness when your school buddy who scores much poorer grades get to be trained as a doctor, an engineer or lawyer while you can only get into a university course like basic science or geography.
I think even sleeping together since 5 years old or even sharing the same dress when young will not help a bit, when you have to spend the next 30 years of your adult life working under a less-capable boss promoted because he was of the right race and religion.
From the day everyone of the non-malays realizes that race really counts in Malaysia until the day we die, there is constant reminder everyday that the world as it is in Malaysia is unfair. Even after we die, there is still no guarantee of a fair treatment.
Unless these unjust policies are changed, forgive me if I cannot, however hard I try to be naive, believe that a common education for all is a good thing for everyone. I lost my ability to believe when I finished my secondary and left school.
I am already thinking of emigrating to USA and persuade more Malaysians to invest in education in USA for the benefit of Malaysians, and produce brilliant graduates like members of the MIT.
……….a typical bumi filled with smug complacency and adept at trotting out trite justifications for the pernicious politics of privilege that pervade Malaysia.
The Red Indians would then be our Orang Asli. Curiously, the US historically granted native land rights to the Red Indians, some of who have become wealthy due to oil rights and the opening of casinos on their native lands.
In contrast, our Orang Asli have been granted only some hunting and fishing rights, and I am told by them that the malay administration refuses to give them allowances and medical benefits unless they become Muslims.
Yes, black slavery was practised in the US till the Civil War but thereafter, the full rights granted under the US Constitution were available to all US citizens.
True, until the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s, decisively ended segregationist policies through enforced busing, affirmative action policies, etc.
In contrast, our majority malays have perpetuated special rights for themselves till Kingdom come, not for the many poor Malaysian Indians, who were dispossessed of their allotted estate housing and menial plantation jobs for almost a hundred years when plantations were sold off for housing estates for big profits, or for the many poor urban and rural Chinese eking a living.
It is an obscenity to see well-fed malays driving around in Mercedes Benzes and drawing fat salaries, yet availing themselves of 7 percent bumi discount for posh houses, plentiful government scholarship forms to go overseas, entitlement to bumi unit trusts paying 10 percent returns when everyone else is in recession or going broke, while the Chinese and Indian Malaysians keep quiet because they know they do not count.
Do you get my drift……….?
Pak Lah did not usually attend the parliament meeting, because he has breed monkeys ministers there.
Umno Youth has to ask if their reaction is wise and mature. Personally I am incensed by their arrogant, aggressive and self-righteous tone.
Is it too late for PAS to capture the opportunity? They already made their stand on issue by having their demonstration. So MIC, MCA and Gerakan cannot partner with them unless they change their stand immediately.
The Malaysia government is driving the wedge among all the races here. They make us feel like they are doing us a favor by allowing us to live here.
We must admit that the existing system is still good enough to bring about peace, political stability and prosperity. If you have the confidence to earn clean money through real hard work, just leave them alone to run the administration, even if they openly corrupt themselves.
The MIC, MCA, Gerakan, must be bold enough to address his people issue, not his race, say no if it is no.
Come on people. Do the one thing that truly makes a difference. Take a chance and vote for the opposition. Let's be serious when we say we want change!
MIC, MCA and Gerakan and some non-malay component parties of BN should have pulled out from this coalition long time ago. The most corrupt party in the world as Umno have treated them like non-existent.
They are all trainees and have not yet to reach political maturity. It may take a long time before they know how to think rationally. With the present style of administration plus our low educational standard, I doubt they can go far and will remain good in their own home only, barking up and down, that is all until such time when they realise too late, that they are halfway to heaven with no hope of coming back.
So the most logical thing for us to do is use your brain, think rationally, study hard, respect others, excel in your international standing and be honest. Then you can 'live' anywhere in the world.
er.. er, welcome all of you but are all these comments out of topic?
what is happening?
the mighty pen speaks eh?
truly incredible...
ps..
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the pen is mightier in shaping history while the sword is more destructive.
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ehhh..y1...how did u get so many comments coming? anyway, im grateful to be living in malaysia...i think malaysia is one of the most blessed nation in the world...underlying everything, it comes down to yourself, what can u contribute
dunno leh bob, why suddenly so many comments that are totally out of topic.
yes, the best place in the world is where God wants you to be in and where you give your self to serve
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